The Justification Debate: N.T. Wright versus John Piper

Ecclesiology,Eschatology,Review,Theology,Thoughts 28 March 2011 | 0 Comments

Several months ago I set out to understand the theological debate between N.T. Wright and John Piper about the meaning of “justification” in the Bible (in the Greek the phrase under consideration is “dikaiosyne theou” – the righteousness of God).  Here’s what I read, and the order in which I read it:

Paul In Fresh Perspective – by N.T. Wright

The Future of Justification:  A Response to N.T. Wright – by John Piper

Justification:  God’s Plan & Paul’s Vision – by N.T. Wright

A Review of:   Justification:  God’s Plan & Paul’s Vision – by Michael Horton

And finally a few blog posts by Kevin DeYoung about this whole discussion

Here’s what I learned:

  • Piper and Wright (and I should add Horton & DeYoung) are all really smart.
  • They are all much smarter than I am.
  • Both Piper and Wright have given us a rather good picture of what a debate between brothers in Christ should look like.  Now I know there’s quite a bit of hubbub about this whole ordeal in the blogosphere, and this may lead one to think that these two men aren’t really playing nice, but if you read their books and responses to one another, it’s all rather cordial.
  • Both men add useful information to the discussion about the nature and meaning of justification, and more specifically to the topic of imputation as a feature of justification.
  • In order of who is the most difficult to read:  Wright is the toughest, followed by Horton, and then finally Piper and DeYoung.  This leads me to want to side with Piper simply because he writes in a more precise way and is easier to understand.
  • If I put aside my bias in favor of Piper (because of the aforementioned clarity with which he writes), and really just try to understand what is being discussed here, I think I come down in the middle, albeit more notably on Piper’s side.  Despite all of Wright’s arguments to the contrary, I am still inclined to believe that Christ’s righteousness is imputed to believers, and that at the final judgement, people will be judged ‘righteous’ based solely on Jesus’ merits and not our own.  Our deeds do demonstrate the reality of saving faith within us (and thus bear witness to the fact that we are really in Christ), but they are not in any sense the ground of our righteousness.  Jesus alone makes us righteous.
  • I do think that Wright has correctly called our attention back to the meta-narrative of Scripture and covenant, the importance of the church, and the importance of examining Scripture not just bottom-up, but also top-down.  I think he’s a brilliant scholar, and I plan to read him more in the future.  But I think he’s a little off on this discussion.  Two things are especially condemning in my final estimation of Wright in regards to this subject:  1) He seems to misunderstand much of the reformed tradition that he critiques (read Horton’s review for an explanation of this point), and 2) despite the sheer volume of works that he’s written on this subject, he still seems to lack the precise clarity and forthrightness that make his viewpoints easy to pin down and judge accordingly.
  • I should note, I’m not the only one expressing this frustration about clarity.  Several others have mentioned this. In fact, there was much discussion following the 2010 meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society about whether or not the view that Wright expressed during those meetings had changed from the view He expresses in his writings.  (see:  http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2010/11/26/what-n-t-wright-really-said/)

Overall Fun Reading!!! I think I’ll go listen to a Robert Ludlum audiobook now, and put my brain in relax mode.

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Deep Church by Jim Belcher – Quick Thoughts

Culture,Ecclesiology,Faith,Review,Theology 16 August 2010 | 0 Comments

I’m in the midst of a God thing right now, whereby I think I’m being led – with the help of others – to plant a church near downtown Nashville.  It’s all very preliminary, but I’m in the process of reading a lot about church planting and trying to cinch down some ideas.  So you, the reader, should not be surprised to see a lot of references to books on ecclesiology on this blog in the near future.  My most recent foray into church planting has been Deep Church by Jim Belcher.

Deep Church is Belcher’s attempt to plot a course for a “third way” of ecclesiology between the emerging church and the traditional church.  He wants to take the best aspects of both camps:   the orthodox beliefs of the traditionalists, and the cultural concerns of the emerging churches and combine them into a new movement.

I listened to this book via audio and now I want to get my hands on a physical copy so that I can go back and underline / rethink many of Belcher’s insights.

But here are a few quick thoughts

1. Belcher is truly kind to both traditionalists and emerging folks.

2. He truly understands the ideas and complaints of both sides.

3. Belcher is an evangelical and his suggestions for a deep church are extremely well stated.

4. Personally, I think he’s a little too soft on McLaren, Jones, and Pagitt.  I wonder if his tone might be slightly sterner now that McLaren’s most recent book, A New Kind of Christianity, has been released, because frankly it is pure heresy.

5. Belcher helped me gain a key insight into postmodernity.  Different people define the movement differently.  I’ve been well aware for quite some time that some think postmodernity is good for Christianity and some think it is evil, but Belcher helped me to understand that often these two sides talk right past each other because they define the movement differently.  Some see postmodernity as ultra-modernity, while others see postmodernity as contra-modernity.  This is probably why there seems to be so much confusion about postmodernism and why it seems so elusive to define.

6. I think the church that I’m helping to plant may gain important insights from thinking through some of Belcher’s ideas.

7. In the end, I’m not sure that Belcher’s Deep Church is really a “third way.”  For me, it’s more or less “the way” that I’ve been striving after for quite some time.  And, I don’t think I’m alone.  However, Belcher’s ideas have helped me to add clarity to many of my thoughts and for that I am grateful.

For a more in depth review, check out DeYoung

Also, after I get a physical copy of this book and rescan it, I may post some helpful insights here in the comments.

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